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Anarkii · Jan 23, 2008, 08:39 AM // 08:39

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Originally Posted by dan-the-noob

Whilst waiting on another health potion, you could probably hit the mana potion and watch that bar fly up

Or...

1. Both health and mana potions use the same(2 min) cooldown.
2. You can't use either in arenas in WoW.

arsie · Jan 23, 2008, 08:51 AM // 08:51

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Originally Posted by bhavv

Now comparisons put aside, I wonder why Anet are copying WoW for GW2.

Quite likely because WoW makes more money for Blizzard than GW makes for ArenaNet/NC Soft.

Craywulf · Jan 23, 2008, 09:39 AM // 09:39

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Originally Posted by Curse You

I don't think you read the OP... Last I checked, level 70 is the highest level in WoW.

I just wanted to point out its possible for Guild Wars character to be level 70. It just won't show it.

I think had ArenaNet made it so you saw your true level even after the attribute cap at 20, traditionalist MMOers wouldn't be complaining about it.

Craywulf · Jan 23, 2008, 09:52 AM // 09:52

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Originally Posted by bhavv

Wow PVE > GW PVE.

Getting better gear drops makes it a lot more rewarding then having max gear from the start.

Its like an 'OMG I got an uber l33t drop' feeling that long wears out in GW once you have a max weapon.

I actually enjoy the good old system of bigger baddies, better loot as opposed to just getting different skin variants of the same item.

And other then the hunting and the drops, Its nice to have a huge persistant world to explore. Ok the graphics arent great, but a great game doesnt need the latest graphics to be fun.

Now comparisons put aside, I wonder why Anet are copying WoW for GW2.

You're equating WoW as the standard. There are other MMOs out there that utilizes the exact same features WoW has. WoW didn't invent persistence worlds and elite armor. Stop assuming GW2 is going to be WoW the sequel.

They are adding persistence world not because WoW is doing it, they are adding it to bring PVP closer to PVE world AND to enhance the interaction with its gaming community. See a Ranger fighting Charr....lend a hand heal him with your Monk. Persistence encourages the growth of the community. This why PVE and PVP are at odds in GW now, because neither wants anything to do with each other.

People again, stop with the WoW comparisons as if it is the only MMO in existence. Its alright to compare but don't assume that GW2 is going to be sequel to WoW.

Taurucis · Jan 23, 2008, 02:58 PM // 14:58

Why the hell are we praising WoW on a GW forum, I wonder?

GW easily takes the cake for being a more intelligent game. Let's see... I had a Paladin in WoW, and a Monk in GW. WoW healing is just "Red bars go up, spam skills 1 2 and 3 on the tank" and naturally I dropped healing and made my paladin Retribution. With Guild Wars there's much more... You can prevent damage as well as heal damage, Monk smiters are actually becoming somewhat accepted (unlike the WoW kiddies, who have their heads stuck in the "Paladins Are Healers" barrel.) and what I love best is that you don't have to spend anything to reorganize your skills/attribute points in GW.

At least Guild Wars characters have 3-dimentional clothes.

Esan · Jan 23, 2008, 03:04 PM // 15:04

Why is GW2 becomming like WoW?
WoW now has 10 million active subscribers.
If GW2 can peel off even 10% of these players with its payment structure, it would increase its net sales over GW1 by 25%.
Easy math, if you ask me.

Sanji · Jan 23, 2008, 04:17 PM // 16:17

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Originally Posted by bhavv

Now comparisons put aside, I wonder why Anet are copying WoW for GW2.

Because WoW has pretty well proven that copying all the stuff that works* results in giant piles of money?

*Inasmuch as getting grind monkeys to buy the game

Wretchman Drake · Jan 23, 2008, 06:16 PM // 18:16

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Originally Posted by Sanji

Because WoW has pretty well proven that copying all the stuff that works* results in giant piles of money?

*Inasmuch as getting grind monkeys to buy the game

Ok buddy, you've been part of these forums since '05. As have I. I remember checking my WoW hours for about 600 after quite a few months to reach 70. I have over 2000 on Guild Wars.

I do believe the formula for grind = time + achieving a goal. IF you have more hours than 600, you can't talk about grind in WoW as if it was something to look down on, AND if you have less than 600 hours in GW if you've had the game for that long, you're a joke.

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Originally Posted by Biostem

Oh, and the 1990's-era graphics in WoW - that's like a slap in the face for a fee-based game.

In a persistant world with the possibility of hundreds being in the same place at the same time, and a large world, these graphics have a certain style that grow on you after a while and doesn't lag your computer. I don't have the best up to date graphics card atm, nor that great RAM so it's nice to not lag when there's around 60 people in one area unlike in the GW holiday events, it was just tragic. Graphics don't make gameplay stop whining about it. People pay over $100 for Guitar Hero (assuming with guitar) and aside from the characters playing the instruments in the background which you never pay attention to, all you see are 5 dots in a line. It's about gameplay, not graphics, fool.

Oh, and the health potion comment... God have mercy on your clueless soul.
In PvP, it's just a big waste to use those, since they don't really heal much, they're meant to save you in the clutch for PvE for the most part.

EDIT: My 600 hours weren't all for leveling. I spent loads of time PvPing in the other level brackets and quite a bit of AFK time. I'd say for the leveling time spent, about 300-350.

Thorondor Port · Jan 23, 2008, 06:23 PM // 18:23

A friend of mine that doesnt go to school here was back last summer, hes an avid WoW player. I showed him guildwars and went into heroes ascent. The pug group won 3 matches in a row, cant remember build but I was on monk. My buddy told me after he had never seen such intense pvp.

Nemo the Capitalist · Jan 23, 2008, 07:05 PM // 19:05

....bleh its ok

Balan Makki · Jan 24, 2008, 05:41 PM // 17:41

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Originally Posted by Esan

Why is GW2 becomming like WoW?
WoW now has 10 million active subscribers.
If GW2 can peel off even 10% of these players with its payment structure, it would increase its net sales over GW1 by 25%.
Easy math, if you ask me.

Well it seems that most are Asian in the 10 mil number. Much different payment structure there, not as great a return on that 5.5 million. WoW is the best recruiter for GW going, and is why GW is still doing so well.

Look here. This is just one of hundreds of like threads on the WoW Official PvP Forums: Good bye to WoW . Notice what almost everyone who's replied to that thread is saying by agreeing with the OP--Grinds suck, and they are finally waking up to reality.

Guess where Guild Wars is getting all their new players?? And where GW2 will find the biggest draw?? WoW is throwing big rocks to get customer attention, but many seem to be looking past the 2000-pound-gorilla to the sexy chick standing on the corner.

Bryant Again · Jan 24, 2008, 05:57 PM // 17:57

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Originally Posted by Balan Makki

Well it seems that most are Asian in the 10 mil number. Much different payment structure there, not as great a return on that 5.5 million. WoW is the best recruiter for GW going, and is why GW is still doing so well.

Asian is a big number in that 10mil figure because...Asia is huge

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Originally Posted by Balan Makki

Look here. This is just one of hundreds of like threads on the WoW Official PvP Forums: Good bye to WoW . Notice what almost everyone who's replied to that thread is saying by agreeing with the OP--Grinds suck, and they are finally waking up to reality.

You should know more than anyone that the WoW Forums are one of the most concentrated place of naysayers and idiots on the internet. While there are a few moments in there that are actually genuine, you should always enter those places with a grain of salt. Moreover, you referenced a two-page thread: by WoW forum standards that's nothing.

Listening to forums is always risky. This is coming straight from Jeff Strain, too.

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Originally Posted by Balan Makki

Guess where Guild Wars is getting all their new players??.

You could probably say the same of people in GW going to WoW. Nonetheless, that's a totally risky figure to pull out of thin air.

Fil Arun · Jan 24, 2008, 06:13 PM // 18:13

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Originally Posted by Balan Makki

Look here. This is just one of hundreds of like threads on the WoW Official PvP Forums: Good bye to WoW .

The WoW forums are where ALL of the people who say "this game sucks" gather. The people who like the game spend their time playing it, the people who don't spend 3/4 of their day complaining about the game they apparently hate so much.

Balan Makki · Jan 24, 2008, 06:19 PM // 18:19

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

Asian is a big number in that 10mil figure because...Asia is huge

.. thus the resurrection of the Asian Grinder. Most in Asia pay very little for their subscription, but it' still money, whether yen or not.

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You should know more than anyone that the WoW Forums are one of the most concentrated place of naysayers and idiots on the Internet. While there are a few moments in there that are actually genuine, you should always enter those places with a grain of salt. Moreover, you referenced a two-page thread: by WoW forum standards that's nothing.

I actually read the post, and those who agreed had very well reasoned arguments, the few who didn't, well, you right: Idiots. This thread exists in many forms on all the various WoW forums, it's a constant and very active theme, just check server forums.

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Listening to forums is always risky. This is coming straight from Jeff Strain, too.

This is supposed to invalidate a majority opinion in that thread??

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You could probably say the same of people in GW going to WoW. Nonetheless, that's a totally risky figure to pull out of thin air.

Like I said, WoW is the best recruiter for GW. For everyone going from GW to WoW, there are likely many more returning. When I play WoW every so often, I'll always chat up WoW players who've never heard of GWs. most are intrigued and want to try the demo.

The days of Evercrack are dieing, Blizzards next MMO will be a Guild Wars clone.

Bryant Again · Jan 24, 2008, 06:28 PM // 18:28

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Originally Posted by Balan Makki

I actually read the post, and those who agreed had very well reasoned arguments, the few who didn't, well, you right: Idiots. This thread exists in many forms on all the various WoW forums, it's a constant and very active theme, just check server forums.

"WoW Sucks", "WoW is Dying", "WoW has terrible PvP" have always been constant themes on the WoW forums since near its release.

I can't really comment all too well on PvP because hey, the PvP in WoW isn't so hot. Then again, it's a PvE game, so I'm not terribly upset. If I wanted PvP I'd play something else, honestly.

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Originally Posted by Balan Makki

This is supposed to invalidate a majority opinion in that thread??

I'm not saying that it invalidates opinion. I'm saying that when the (huge) majority of people on the forums are idiots is when you need to start thinking carefully.

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Originally Posted by Balan Makki

Like I said, WoW is the best recruiter for GW, for everyone going from GW to WoW, there are likely many more returning.

The same thing can be said of people going from WoW to GW: There are likely many more returning.

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Originally Posted by Balan Makki

The days of Evercrack are dieing, Blizzards next MMO will be a Guild Wars clone.

Again, see: Guild Wars 2. Dunno why Blizzard will make a GW clone when ANet are basing of the announced gameplay off of core RPG and MMO mechanics. There's a reason for WoW's success. It's kinda hard to fool 10 million people through a game.

Balan Makki · Jan 24, 2008, 06:42 PM // 18:42

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

I'm not saying that it invalidates opinion. I'm saying that when the (huge) majority of people on the forums are idiots is when you need to start thinking carefully.

I've been rather impressed with the lack of idiots on the GW forums. WoW definately has a different mix though, your right by half.

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The same thing can be said of people going from WoW to GW: There are likely many more returning.

. . . and who benefits the most if this were the case? WoW being subscription based, and GW being one fee?

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It's kinda hard to fool 10 million people through a game.

Not fooled, but hooked, addicted. The line between too much fun and addiction is a very blurred one. The more that play WoW only means the more that will wake up and post threads like Good bye to WoW and find their way {back} here.

Bryant Again · Jan 24, 2008, 06:54 PM // 18:54

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Originally Posted by Balan Makki

I've been rather impressed with the lack of idiots on the GW forums. WoW definately has a different mix though, your right by half...

WoW has the most because it's the official forums. It's where Blizzard is supposedly supposed to look to first and the most. ANet doesn't have anything like that, so the trolls are forced to spread themselves.

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Originally Posted by Balan Makki

and who benefits the most if this were the case? WoW being subscription based, and GW being one fee?

I'm not entirely sure what you mean here.

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Originally Posted by Balan Makki

Not fooled, but hooked, addicted. The line between too much fun and addiction is a very blurred one. The more that play WoW only means the more that will wake up and post threads like Good bye to WoW and find there way here back here.

To assume that so many people are not enjoying WoW is very upsetting. Believe it or not people actually do have fun with it, a *lot* of fun. Not everyone manages their time correctly with it, true, but you can be easily hooked if you love the game. That's why WoW is so easy to point at: Not only do people manage their times incorrectly, but their spending money to do so.

Again, it's gonna be the quality and what you like in a game that get's you hooked. There have been numerous people here who've stated about "how addicted they are to Guild Wars." How do you percieve that?

And since we're quoting WoW forums here, I'll try leaving with this.

ensoriki · Jan 24, 2008, 06:57 PM // 18:57

You believe Guild Wars to be the most skilled mmo

So let me read your reasonings....hmm 1 mmo.?
*reads Wow*
......Rolling out

Fil Arun · Jan 24, 2008, 07:08 PM // 19:08

I have 3 questions for you, ensori:

1) Did you read the thread?
2) Did you graduate 6th grade?
3) Did you bother to even think how a post that (when proper grammar is used) boils down to "So you think GW is a more skilled MMO than 1 MMO, and that MMO is WoW? Oh snap, you lose for reasons that I have psychically beamed to your brain, I win!" makes you look?

ensoriki · Jan 24, 2008, 07:17 PM // 19:17

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Originally Posted by Fil Arun

I have 3 questions for you, ensori:

1) Did you read the thread?
2) Did you graduate 6th grade?
3) Did you bother to even think how a post that (when proper grammar is used) boils down to "So you think GW is a more skilled MMO than 1 MMO, and that MMO is WoW? Oh snap, you lose for reasons that I have psychically beamed to your brain, I win!" makes you look?

1) Indeed,
2) Indeed
3) I like to simplify things, brings me enjoyment.

Do you have anymore questions?